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Jack Kelso   10/6/2003	Subject: Raff's music touched many Message: Recently, listening to Dvorak's 8th Symphony (3rd movement), I was struck with a Raffian sound. It then occurred to me, how underrated Raff's influence on other, younger composers was. Richard Strauss, as well as Tschaikowsky, admitted this influence. A few days ago I heard my new recording of Hermann Goetz's F Major Symphony, op. 9. Once again, as original as this beautiful work is, Raff's voice is clearly in the harmonies (1st movement, opening). Have I left anyone out...other composers who admired or were influenced by Raff? Jack
FERNANDO OLIVA   12/6/2003	RE: Raff's music touched many IP: Logged Message: Dear Jack: I´m an Romantic Period enthusiast, however I´m an affecionate not an expert. I don´t know Hermann Goetz. Is a Romantic Composer? I similar to Reinecke or Bruch? I appreciate your information about Hermann Goetz, and his avaiable discography. If you prefer, you will post to me a message to my e-mail addres: TAGAMANENTBERTI@HOTMAIL.COM As soon as possible, I will re-listen entire Dvo^rák 8th. Excuse me for my bad english Best Regards from Barcelona, Fernando.
John Boyer   12/6/2003	RE: Raff's music touched many...even Goetz IP: Logged Message: Hermann Goetz (1840-76) was a German composer of much promiss who died prematurely at the age of 36. George Bernard Shaw believed his Symphony in F to be superior to any symphony by Mendelssohn, Schumann, or Brahms. George Bernard Shaw also believed Josef Stalin to be a great and kind leader, so this outrageous statement is more a comment on GBS than on Goetz. But Goetz is a really fine composer. His work has been issued on a number of labels. Particularly worth investigating is the CPO series: Chamber Music (CPO 999086) Symphony + Violin Concerto (CPO 999076) Nanie and other choral music (CPO 999316) Piano Concertos (CPO 999098) Above three in a three disc set at a special price (CPO 999939) My favorites: the Second Piano Concerto, Op. 18; and the Piano Trio Op. 1 His "Nanie" is set to the same text and for the same forces as Brahms's...and he did it first.
FERNANDO OLIVA   12/6/2003	RE: Raff's music touched many IP: Logged Message: Dear John, Thank you very much for your information. I´m very interested for discover this composer. In Spain is very unknow. I see that NAXOS don´t have any Goetz work. Kind regards, Fernando.
Jack Kelso 13/6/2003	RE: Raff's music touched many IP: Logged Message: Sorry, Fernando---John answered your question before I could reply. Yes, John's right. Goetz has several fine works. I recently purchased from jpc (a German-based internet "store" with a great selection) a 3-disc set of his complete orchestral works, performed by the Nordwestfunk Sinfonieorchester. But I'm afraid they only ship to German addresses (I live in Schwetzingen, near Heidelberg). Keep listening--and discover! Best, Jack
Mark Thomas   13/6/2003	RE: Raff's music touched many IP: Logged Message: Hi Fernanado, The good news is that jpc WILL ship anywhere. Here in the UK the CD prices are so outrageous that I get almost all my CDs from them. The recent rise in the Euro against sterling doesn't make them as cheap as they were but the saving more than covers the mailing cost - especially if you buy "in bulk" as I'm afraid I usually do. As Jack says, the selection is great (all the Tudor Raff repertoire for instance). Their site doesn't have a Spanish translation but it is available in English - for the Classical section go to: http://www.jpc.de/en/klassik/klassik_set.html Best wishes, Mark
Jack Kelso   16/6/2003	RE: Raff's music touched many IP: Logged Message: Oops! Sorry, Fernando, I guess I underestimated jpc. Because I live in Germany I never thought of trying other (foreign) addresses. Recently, I received the beautiful "A Night in the Tropics" Symphony of Louis-Moreau Gottschalk. Also TEN Spohr overtures. What rarities these are! You can even get Raff's chamber music from jpc, which you certainly can't find on every street corner store. Best, Jack
FERNANDO OLIVA   17/6/2003	RE: Raff's music touched many IP: Logged Message: Dear Friends, Thank you very much for your information. I´m exciting for discover Goetz´ Music. Kind regards, Fernando.
FERNANDO OLIVA   19/6/2003	RE: Raff's music touched many IP: Logged Message: Dear Friends, Talking about Raff´s influence on another composers, I found recently similarities between the ending them of Lenora´s last movement (when Wilhem and Lenora are finally reunited in death) and Mahler´s 3rd. Symphony final Adagio. I read about this in the Bamert´s version CD educational booklet. Now I can´t remember why wrote this article. What´s your expert opinion? Thanks for anticipate, Fernando.
FERNANDO OLIVA   19/6/2003	RE: Raff's music touched many IP: Logged Message: Sorry, excuse me, the correct sentence in the last message is "I can´t remember WHO wrote this article".
FERNANDO OLIVA   01/7/2003	RE: Raff's music touched many IP: Logged Message: Dear Friends, Last Friday, I purchased a triple CD-set with Hermann Goetz works. This compilation was editated last year by the German Label CPO. It contains: CD 1: Symphony in F major + Violin Concerto in G major + Overture "Der Widerspentigen Zähmung" CD 2: Piano Concertos 1 & 2 CD 3: Nenie, for choir and orchestra + Psalm 137 for soprano, choir and orchestra + Overture "Francesca da Rimini" + Spring Overture. All for € 22,83. I only can listened the Symphony. For me, is a good job, not inferior to Reinecke or Bruch symphonies, but inferior in comparison with Schumann, Brahms or Raff. This work has a kindly humor sense in his two first movements, bur is less humoristic, for example, that Reinecke´s 1st. scherzo. Today, public thinks about romantics like "crying machines", and ignores the exceptional humor sense of Raff symphonies or Rubinstein piano concertos 3rd. and 4th, for example . The Adagio is effective, not much sentimental, very far, for example from real jewels of romanticism like Schumann´s 2nd. slow movement, or Mendelssohn "Scottish" and "Italian" slow movements. Fortunately is many sentimental or excessive than Tchaikovsky´s 5th. "Andante cantabile con alcuna licenza" . The final movement is not exceptional. Very crafted: presents three themes which go on to be elaborated in the development section, and a fourth theme presented in the following coda. But is not, like all the work, the "eight wonder of the world". Like forever, I appreciate your very expert opinion. I´m very happy to add to my collection a new interesting and unknow romantic composer. Thanks to Jack and John for introduce to me Hermann Goetz. Kind regards from the hot and sunny Spain, Fernando.
Jonathan Welsh 10/9/2003	RE: Raff's music touched many IP: Logged Message: Dear all, I just found this posting and looked up Goetz on the MDT website, here is what I found: 9993162 GOETZ Nenie, Psalm 137 Chor des NDR, Radio-Philharmonie Hannover des NDR/Albert £5.50 9990862 GOETZ Piano Chamber Music Konno, Landsverk, Akahoshi, Goebel Trio Berlin 2cds £11.50 9990982 GOETZ Piano Concertos Nos.1 & 2 Volker Barnfield, Radio-Philharmonie Hannover des NDR/ Werner Andreas Albert CPO (Low Price) £5.50 9990762 GOETZ Symphony, Violin Concerto, Der Widerspenstigen Zahmung Overture Gottfried Schneider, Radio-Philharmonie Hannover des NDR/ Werner Andreas Albert CPO (Low Price) £5.50 9999392 GOETZ, HERMANN Orchestral Works & Concertos Gottfried Schneider, Volker Banfield, Radio-Philharmonie Hannover des NDR, Werner Andeas Albert CPO 3cds £16.50 BR20002930 GOUNOD/PUCCINI/STRAUSS/WEBER/WAGNER/GOETZ/SMETANA/VON WEBER Trude Eipperle - Portrait Trude Eipperle (Soprano) Bayer 2cds £26.00 CDE84237 MOSCHELES, FIBICH, GOETZ ROMANTIC SONATAS FOR PIANO DUET GOLDSTONE, CLEMMOW Meridian £13.00 TACET91 Romantic Piano Trios Vol.2 - GOETZ Trio for piano, violin and cello in G minor op.1 KIEL Trio for piano, violin and cello in G minor op.34 - Abegg Trio Tacet £13.00 VOX5068 THE ROMANTIC PIANO CONCERTO VOL.5 Medtner, Balakirev, Liapunov, Sinding, Goetz Michael Ponti Vox 2cds £12.00 KTC2022 THE ROMANTIC SONATINA Schumann, Heller, Goetz, Reinecke, Kirchner Etcetera 2cds Hope this helps. Now all I need to do is earn some overtime to buy them all!! Regards, Jonathan