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John Boyer   01/5/2004	Subject: A complete 9th Symphony Message: As we know, both the Tudor and Marco Polo recordings of the Raff 9th included a cut in the finale. Has this been repeated in the new CPO set?
Mark   01/5/2004	RE: A complete 9th Symphony IP: Logged Message: I have listened to the full set of four symphonies just once in a straight session - not a very bright idea, in retrospect. I had forgotten about that cut, wasn't listening out for it and therefor I'm ashamed to say that I can't answer you question, Jamie. Bear with me... Cheers
avrohom leichtling   03/5/2004	RE: A complete 9th Symphony IP: Logged Message: Check the score against the recorded performance - that's the only way to be sure.
Mark   04/5/2004	RE: A complete 9th Symphony IP: Logged Message: I've now had the opportunity to listen properly to the new 9th. from Werner Andreas Albert on cpo. The cut is gone. We have restored to us about 3½ minutes of music, which combines developments of the established themes in what appears to be a rondo passage featuring a new rolling theme first heard on the violins. All rather attractive, and it is difficult to see why Auberson (on the old Tudor recording) would have wanted to remove it. It is thoroughly in keeping with the rest of the movement, whilst providing contrast to it and, even on the original LP, he would hardly have been pushed for time. His leisurely reading totals 41:52. Schneider's motives are perhaps clearer. His Marco Polo CD (which couples the 8th. and 9th. Symphonies) totalled 79:43, so things were getting tight. I had not appreciated that this cut was proportionately as big as the one he made in the much longer finale of the 3rd. Symphony. Pace, Avrohom, I haven't got a score of this work and so I can't confirm that every last bar is now there, but by way of comparison, we are presented here with a well proportioned finale of 9:50 duration. Schneider, adopting similar tempi, came in at 6:35. Auberson is slower throughout but, adopting the same cut as Schneider, gets past the post at 7:57. Cheers,
John Boyer   04/5/2004	RE: A complete 9th Symphony IP: Logged Message: This is good news. Since I can't afford the Kalmus score and I can't get to Philadelphia to see a copy at the Fleischer Collection, I'll have to be satisfied with the hope that the finale is at last intact. The finale of the 9th always seemed too concise, considering what came before. This was only confirmed by Steven Haller at American Record Guide, who mentioned in his review that Schneider takes the same "piddling" cut (his words) as Auberson. But it's a 33% cut. Hardly piddling. Now the endless wait for Naxos to bring the disc to the USA... But there's always JPC.